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Hi,

As we draw nearer to October, when Windows 10 will no longer be supported because Microsoft is so incredibly greedy, I decided to pick up this thread again and continue planning how I'm going to resolve this issue. I ran MS' PC Health checker. I need to be able to enable TPM 2.0 and secure boot. No idea if my machine can enable these and so the remainder of this post may be moot?

Assuming I can enable those, my current CPU isn't supported by Windows 11. So, at the very least, I would need to replace the CPU. Not sure if that would mean having to replace other elements of my machine, like RAM or my PSU. Here is my system information report:

OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Version 10.0.19045 Build 19045
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name Redacted
System Manufacturer
System Model
System Type x64-based PC
System SKU To be filled by O.E.M.
Processor Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1286 v3 @ 3.70GHz, 3701 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date Intel(R) Corp. PGQ8710H.86A.0155.2018.1031.1654, 10/31/2018
SMBIOS Version 2.8
Embedded Controller Version 255.255
BIOS Mode Legacy
BaseBoard Manufacturer Intel Corporation
BaseBoard Product DQ87PG
BaseBoard Version AAG74154-403
Platform Role Desktop
Secure Boot State Unsupported
PCR7 Configuration Binding Not Possible
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.3636"
User Name Redacted
Time Zone Eastern Daylight Time
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 32.0 GB
Total Physical Memory 31.9 GB
Available Physical Memory 22.5 GB
Total Virtual Memory 36.7 GB
Available Virtual Memory 25.3 GB
Page File Space 4.75 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys
Kernel DMA Protection Off
Virtualization-based security Not enabled
Device Encryption Support Reasons for failed automatic device encryption: PCR7 binding is not supported, Hardware Security Test Interface failed and device is not Modern Standby, Un-allowed DMA capable bus/device(s) detected, Disabled by policy, TPM is not usable
Hyper-V - VM Monitor Mode Extensions Yes
Hyper-V - Second Level Address Translation Extensions Yes
Hyper-V - Virtualization Enabled in Firmware Yes
Hyper-V - Data Execution Protection Yes
*********************************************************************************************************************end of line*****************************************

Ahem....So, I'm wondering if I could simply install an i7 CPU and manage to get a few more serviceable years out of this machine. What would be a good CPU to install? I have no idea if this website is reliable, but it appears that motherboard can accept an i7 4770K. Is that good? Would I want the regular i7-4770, the K verson, or the S verson? Some other CPU entirely?

Relatedly, when selecting a CPU, what respectable websites should I use for my research?

I know I'm not flying right now. My wife and I leave Friday morning for a nearly two weeks of hiking. But, I'm still thinking about joining you guys in the fall for a tactical shooter or something.

Thanks for any help/advice you may offer!

Grifter

Chances are any processor fitting that older motherboard will not be Windows 11 compatible. Current day i7's are not compatible with older motherboards because the sockets are different (by design). I had an older i7 and it was not Windows 11 compatible.

By the way, this is a totally manufactured Microsoft obsolescence. Windows 11 actually did work on all these older computers while in beta and through loopholes that Microsoft later disabled. There is no physical reason preventing win11 from working on older computers except aoftware code Microsoft added that literally blocks compatibility so you are forced to upgrade. This was done under pressure from all the PC manufacturers to boost their sales. Yep.

Hi Grifter
We miss you on Wednesday nights

If I were you, I’d budget like $350-$500 to get a mobo/cpu/ram combo from micro center and upgrade the guts. Then u can use hard drives and video cards you already have.

Xpendable, that’s a real shame. MS really screwed the consumer on this one. So, I got the idea to just ask Google, and you’re right, of course, win 11 requires at least an eight gen CPU. I’ll have to buy new ram,Mobo,and cpu to upgrade, as Creeper said. I guess I need to put aside like $800. I’m going to look at your post on your recent upgrade to your machine, and likely just copy what you bought. I’m sure whatever you got is more than enough for basic office, video gaming, and win 11?

Xpen,

Actually, I better budget 1000 because I likely need a stronger PSU as well, although, I need to see if I can figure out how much PSU I already have installed, and likely I need to upgrade my cooling system. My current system has three small fans in the front and one in the back and a large 120 on top. Would that be enough? Does this build require a liquid cooling system like the one you installed? I’ve never used a liquid cooling system before, and I’m a little worried about it leaking everywhere.

I would go the liquid cooler route. There is no reason not to. They are relatively cheap, already fully assembled, and far superior. You aren't clamping anything, you aren't filling it, it's turn key. It is actually considered the defacto standard now on all modern gaming pcs I think. Everyone uses them these days, at least anyone building one.

Hmm okay. Guess I’ll go that direction. I’m not really a tech wiz but I’ve managed to build a couple computers with Hammer’s help. I hear the modern systems are easier to put together. I’ll need to watch YT and read up on the practice.

Thanks for your help, Xpen!

I struggled with my son's rig to get the liquid cooling to fit just right in his case. He ended up getting errors and stuff with the cpu so we went back to traditional coolermaster fan with case fans. All good now. i have not delved into the liquid cooling market but I probably just messed something up with his system when installing it.

If you have that many case fans I'd think you'd be fine. Make sure there's enough room for the fans to blow out though. i had mine case too close to the underside of my desk and the case not dispel all the heat as well as now. I actually have a small external usb fan blowing the heat away from my under my desk and that helps too.

Your PSU wattage will be on the label most likely on the side.

I built my rig 2 years ago and have traditional fans. 5 of them plus the CPU fan. All good, nice and breezy.

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Is there a way to determine if the five fan system I own now would be sufficient to keep things cool before installing the new components? Is there an indication in the spec listing of how cool they recommend the box should be? If so, how would o determine the current temps my fans are producing? CWCupid?

Hey Grifter. I know I'm late to this thread but if you are interested in getting a Geforce 3090 video card let me know. I'm currently selling one.

Thanks Panzer, but it's not in the budget. I will likely have to drop a grand into this as it is. I may even need to buy a new case. I likely won't be ready to build this until the spring and will have to limp along on my current rig for a while. Does anyone know how to determine:

1. How cool does your machine currently run? I'm thinking software like CPUID might work. Couldn't remember the acronym before, sorry.

2. How cool will my machine have to run to keep all the proposed new components cool?

Thanks.